4/16/07

TOTAL DEPRAVITY

Ephesians 2:8-10

8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.


· [Total Depravity.] Augustine dwelt at length on the Corruption of man's nature and the consequent lack of freedom of the will
Augustine made some helpful comparisons here. He showed that Adam was in a state of Able to sin and Able not to sin, but by his sin he rendered himself and his descendants Not able not to sin. After death the redeemed saints are finally confirmed in a state which Adam did not enjoy, namely Not able to sin. to choose God, exercise faith, or generally perform any act that moves towards restoration to God. To be sure, the freedom of the will to act is not in question, and man still makes his choices. However, his choices are all determined now by his corrupt nature, and in himself he has no ability to choose God.

· [Unconditional Election and Irresistible Grace.] As a result of the above, the necessity of the doctrine of the free grace of God becomes apparent (not only from the above logic, but from Scripture itself). God must save freely and sovereignly, since we are unable to choose him. God's grace grants everything, so election cannot be based on foreseen future merits. Even faith itself is the gift of God to his elect. Grace and predestination cannot be separated.
"A man's free-will, indeed, avails for nothing except to sin, if he knows not the way of truth; and even after his duty and his proper aim shall begin to become known to him, unless he also take delight in and feel a love for it, he neither does his duty, nor sets about it, nor lives rightly. Now, in order that such a course may engage our affections, God's 'love is shed abroad in our hearts,' not through the free-will that arises from ourselves, but 'through the Holy Ghost, which is given to us.' (Rom 5:5)" (On the Spirit and the Letter, 3.5)
Grace and predestination have this difference, that predestination is the preparation, and grace the actual application, of God's unmerited favor.

10 comments:

Micky said...

Romans 5:5 (King James Version)
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Peace Be With You
Micky

Micky said...

THE BOOK OF THE PROPHET
ISAIAH
CHAPTER 46
9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Peace Be With You
Micky

David Contra Mundum said...

Though you are using the most blessed Saint Augustine, I would charitably exhort you you to not use Cavinian terminology ("Total Depravity" and "Unconditional Election").

Fight the good fight, brother.

Micky said...

Greetings David
Thank you for responding to my post.
I noticed you didn't mention how you felt [I would charitably exhort you to not use Cavinian terminology] - I felt some pain. Have you been BORN AGAIN, DAVID?

I would charitably exhort you to respond in plain English [You don't have to impress me with your vocabulary]. How do you feel, David?

Peace Be With You
Micky

Fred said...

Praise the Lord Jesus for His grace (Ephesians 2:8-9) and His gift of a new birth to us (John 3:3-6). May all accept it.

Fred said...

And by the way, thanks for encouraging me to post again.

David Contra Mundum said...

Have you been BORN AGAIN, DAVID?

Yes, I have been baptized in the Name of the Holy Trinity and have had original sin washed away.

I am sorry that you felt pain from my previous post, it's just that Calvinism doesn't do justice to St. Augustine's teachings in whole, but only in part.

As St. Augustine wrote against the Pelagians, man is completely unable to avail himself in meriting the free grace of God, but his natural will can cooperate with this prevenient grace when it is quickened by the Holy Spirit.

And St. Augustine wrote against the Manichaeans, the mystery of election is in the hidden counsels of God and singularly unto salvation (not "double" unto reprobation); yet, anyone that enters hell does so by their unassisted "free" choice.

I actually enjoyed your post, save for the Calvinian labels, which may not have been your intention at all...even so, please take my previous post in the charitable spirit that I had written it.

Dominus vobiscum!

Micky said...

Greetings David
Thank you for having the courage to respond to my post. You were right and I was wrong. Forgive me? I wasn’t aware that my previous post [SALVATION} was Calvinism.

· [Total Depravity.] AUGUSTINE [I put this word in myself – I felt that it should be there but I was wrong] dwelt at length on the Corruption of man's nature and the consequent lack of freedom of the will Augustine made some helpful comparisons here.

Dwelt at length on the Corruption of man's nature and the consequent lack of freedom of the will Augustine made some helpful comparisons here. [AMENDED.

CALVINISM AND CATHOLICISM CONTRASTED
Calvin: God's sovereignty determines the will.
Catholic: God's sovereignty includes free will.
Calvin: Predestination as predetermination.
Catholic: Predestination as infallible foreknowledge.
Calvin: God desires only the salvation of the elect.
Catholic: God desires the salvation of all.
Calvin: God provides grace only to the elect.
Catholic: God provides grace to all, though not all accept it.
Calvin: Christ died only for the elect.
Catholic: Christ died for all men.
Calvin: God predetermines some for hell.
Catholic :Men merit hell by their own wickedness.
Calvin: The elect include all those born-again.
Catholic: The elect are those who persevere to the end.
Calvin: Grace co-opts human free will.
Catholic: Grace perfects the free will that cooperates.
Calvin: Those in grace (born-again) can't fall away.
Catholic: Those in grace can freely sin and lose grace.
Calvin: The elect will unfailingly persevere.
Catholic: The elect are those who have persevered.
Calvin: The elect are assured of their salvation.
Catholic: Yes, but only God knows who they are.
Calvin: Predestination eliminates merit and guilt.
Catholic: Predestination includes merit and guilt.
The Pelagian heretics held that man alone (apart from God's grace) is responsible for his salvation. Calvinists start with the opposite premise that God alone is responsible for man's salvation.

I understand more clearly the difference between Calvinism & Catholicism. I was saved, I am saved, and I am being saved. Yes, but only God knows who they are. Thank you David!!

Peace Be With You
Micky

David Contra Mundum said...

God bless you, brother.

The Lord be with you, and also with your spirit!

Micky said...

Thank you, David - God bless you, too. May He [GOD] remember you in his KINGDOM!!

Peace Be With You
Micky